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Dona DeZube for ClearanceJobs.com - August 20, 2009
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If corporate recruiters had only one word to describe the perfect job candidate this summer, it would be “honest.”

“It’s hard to say who’s perfect,” says Jessica Heilmann, senior recruiting manger for 3Di Technologies, LLC, Annapolis, Maryland. “The candidates I like best are honest and say what they want up front and what they’re truly looking for. Don’t say you’ll move to Montana if you won’t.”

And don’t say you have security clearances you don’t have, as one recent job seeker did, she adds. That candidate came out of the military in 2004 and moved into stateside civilian work. He told Heilmann he was Ready Reserve and thought he had some kind of clearance, but didn’t know what his status was. “My security officer checked and he didn’t have one [a clearance],” she says. “I find it interesting when people have no idea of the status of their clearance. It’s mysterious and unless you have a facility security officer (FSO) you have no way to find out.”

Barbara Kalman, CEO of Kalman & Company, a Virginia Beach government contracting services firm, agrees. She likes candidates who neither over-inflate, nor understate their abilities. “The best thing is to be honest about your capabilities,” she says.

Among the dishonest resumes Kalman has received was one from an applicant who claimed to have a military logistics background, yet knew nothing about logistics and another who claimed to have a degree from a university he hadn’t attended.

Kalman, who hires for secure, technical positions, always checks the facts on the resumes she receives. “There are a lot of people unemployed right now, but the jobs we have are specific in background and educational needs, so it’s not like I can randomly hire people,” she says. “We check background, resume and references.”

As a small business owner, Steven Mackie, president of Storage Strategies, Inc., a Springfield, Virginia data storage and engineering company, says he looks for candidates who are honest about their career goals. “What recruiters want are candidates who know what they want to do,” he says.

He estimates that 20 percent of the applicants he hears from are teachers, former military and government employees who don’t have a specific job target and are looking for any job in the Department of Defense (DoD) contracting arena because they think there are lots of open jobs in that field they can fit into.

Meanwhile, he’s hiring from among the 80 percent of candidates who know what direction they want their career to take and the next job they want. “I look for an objective up front that supports what you want to do,” he adds, “and enough horsepower in education, experience and qualifications to get there.”

In addition to being able to clearly represent your skills and clearance, Richard Mazelsky, president of Clovis, a Bethesda, Maryland recruitment firm, suggests you think about the type of company culture where you’ll be effective.

“Do you want to be in an environment where you have to report to a project plan lead once a week, or have a team directing your activities? Do you need to find the work intellectually stimulating?” he says. “You really have to do an assessment around fit.”

Sticking to the truth about yourself and your career needs will ensure that your next position is the right one for you. “Nothing is worse for the candidate than to be placed in a situation where you’re not capable or you’re asked to do something you’re not comfortable with,” Mazelsky says. “It doesn’t fare well for the candidate or the company.”


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DC/MD/NVA, Tampa, Norfolk, San Antonio, San Diego. If you aren't willing to relocate to one of these locales it will be an uphill battle for you to get a foot in the door and stay there. Also, if you don't have a degree then you need a professional certificate at some point to make significant progress in your career. You should NEVER stop learning. Oh, stop bitching and complaining like you're still in the military. Companies tend to not like it very much when you make them look bad to the customer.
dillard (Augusta Georgia) on January 11, 2011 at 11:03pm

I’m an IT/healthcare recruiter for personal with and without security clearances’. I can go into JPAS and check when someone says they do or don’t have a resume. I’m also a 21 year Vet former BN Commo Chief.

Best word of Advice I can give you is this. Get the Chip off your shoulder. Translate how you can help out the new company not how can they help you. I have the most issues with ex Senior NCOS and Officers the world will not jump when you say it.

Remember when you first joined the Military how lead by example was the way to do it. Even more so now in a smaller market.

Also don’t blindly trust Spell Check. If you where a Senior NCO it’s not called a Sargent
Recruiter (McKinney Texas) on July 19, 2010 at 2:25pm

One thing that defense recruiters want, in potential employees that, first, know how to spell when they type on online forums.
??? (DE) on April 22, 2010 at 9:45pm

Hello to all. I'm a retired Marine. After 24 years of service with the Marines. I've learned to use the most prized possession taught to me by the Marines, "Network". Get on your computers take a look at all government job sites, learn where the vets are.

A great source is VFW's, VA Employment Offices, State Employment Offices. Last October I was laid off. My title was Government Digital Solutions Specialist. Let me tell you how I got that job. I was at a County Job Fair in San Bernardino when a HR Director began to watch me communicate with other. They came out onto the floor and asked if they could just have my resume. I was hired in may of 2005. I had an awesome responsibility and a say in all of the government contracts for this company.

Bottom line is keep smiling, keep a positive outlook. I'm currently unemployed but, I won't give up. I have recently interviewed fro three government jobs. I will be employed shortly.

Don't quit. Learn how to write resumes.

Semper Fi
BJ (Southern California) on April 18, 2010 at 1:52pm

The best advice I can give to those of you who are in the military is "networking." If you have a security clearance and you know you want to get out, BE PROACTIVE. No one is going to take care of you except you. If you aren't making an active effort to get your foot in the door with the contracting companies in the area that you are currently employed, then you have no business complaining. It is too easy to find a job.

Most DOD contracting companies give out bonus's to employees that help with their recruitment efforts. I know several soldiers that graduated from AIT, were 19 years old, and got chaptered out of the military within 2 years of getting in. Because they made an effort to get to know the local contractors and the companies they worked for, they now hold excellent jobs with nothing but a high school education.
Kari Hubsch (Fort Gordon Georgia) on February 19, 2010 at 8:49pm

I too recently retired from the military in 2006. I have found that its is difficult to get someone to honor your experience. In some cases depends on what branch you were, and who you know, not what you know. After struggling with different resumes, I landed a job, contractor supporting my country and US Army in Japan, then the contract had a flaw, between the government and company forcing a rebid and we lost and I lost, this was suppose to be a five year job. I am not whining , but I cant seem to penetrate the US Govt jobs, or contractor world without a buddy. I have spent the money to recreate my resume, etc... I am maybe not worth the very top dollar, but better than some. I have a degree , big deal, and over 26 years of experience, in five different specialites. Thanks
Tad Thomas McConnell (New Bern North Carolina) on December 17, 2009 at 6:03pm

Why has the government start asking for Top Secret clearance for overseas employment when three to four years ago active Secret clearance was more than enough. Most position do not access TS info anyway.
GrammyII (APO APO/FPO) on December 11, 2009 at 5:46pm

Available for Overseas assignments, if you are looking for a professional Information Technology Specialist that brings 35 years of progressive training and experience to your company. Clearance: Top Secret / SCI / Special Projects (Active as of 2009). An enthusiastic worker who believes strongly that customer service can only be achieved by the highest standards of integrity and utmost teamwork. To accompany 20 years of Telecommunications and Information Technology experience while serving in the United States Marine Corps is 13 years of experience in the corporate defense industry with Lockheed Martin supporting Space Systems Development, Integration and Testing, as well as various positions of Information Technology support.
Gary L. Williams (Colorado Springs Co) on November 8, 2009 at 8:49pm

I am a former veteran and have worked as contractor for the Dept. of State for the last three years. I possessed a Top Secret SCI clearance in the Air Force which helped me get the initial job I received through Mantech. The key is moving to somewhere like Washington DC where the jobs are clearance jobs are plentiful. Theres an abundance of veterans with no degrees making excellent money up here. It is a little harder to get a job when you don't have a degree but if you are persistent you will be able to do it.

Lets review-

1)- move to where the security jobs---that's Washington DC

2) There are plenty of veterans working as contractors/government up here willing to lend a hand to a vet - my last two bosses were retired military and they gave me a chance
3) Get your computer certifications-takes less time than a degree and more money in some cases
4) Once you have a few certs go back to school

And that's how I did it.
Jason (Odenton Maryland) on October 7, 2009 at 10:13pm

To all the enclosed writers;

I concur in regards to what attributes will land you that perfect job. I am a SgtMaj with 24 years of service and still moving forward. I educate my young Marines on planning a six & twelve month exit plan from the military. This plan includes your education level prior to departure as well as drawing upon experience from the service. I believe education to be a prime factor coupled with experience. I have a BA degree with a TS/SCI and the grey hair to prove my experience, however, I have many friends who received their jobs by net-working! I will sum it up this way; 1. Net-work 2. Education 3. Experience 4. Continue to sell yourself.

I thank all of you for your service to our country. And for the contractors who support our needs, thank you as well....

S/F

Just a couple more years...
JOSEPH EDWARD VANFONDA SR. (Jacksonville North Carolina) on September 29, 2009 at 11:32am

The opening line of Ms. Dezube's article pretty much sums up my feelings and opinion. I am familiar with at least three employees in the past year, that lied their way into these positions. Canning their sorry butts now, is nearly impossible. Employer beware!

I have been employed by the "Good 'ol Boy" network since 1999. Thankfully, the man I work for knows I'm not dishonest.

Ms. Dezube is 100% correct.
scott carmiencke (qatar) on September 19, 2009 at 3:55am

Like many of you, I served in the military. I also do not have a degree. I assumed with experience and a security clearance, I’d walk into a position upon separation and start making more without the fear of constant deployments.

Two years and a whole lot of struggles later lead me to finally do something about it. You do not have to necessarily get a degree to make yourself more marketable. I’m in IT and started with obtaining certifications. First an MCSE, then I obtained a CISSP. Certification are not difficult to get if you truly know the material and have the experience, you will pass the examination. It took less than 10 days to study and pass 5 examinations for the MCSE and a week of skimming a prep guide for the CISSP. I can’t believe I wasted two years when with minimal effort, I could do things to show an employer I brought something to the table. If defense contracting is truly what you are after, they have pretty much become a requirement…at least in the IT world. DoD 8570 is something you may want to read up on.
Anonymous on September 18, 2009 at 8:09am

I feel the pain of not getting a job or getting the chance to put my work and knowledge to the test. I have spent over 26 years of total service in the military a Non-Commissioned Officer for 23 of those years and the background of every combat skill in the Army. I have a 2 year degree in General Studies and Military Science to make sure I get a little background for all areas that fall under post education requirements. I am still working on completing my BA in Security Management and I have not been selected for any of the jobs I have submitted for in the past 3 months.
Donald Wilson (Junction City Kansas) on September 15, 2009 at 10:26pm

I think in the end, its all about character. I work along side military and civilians everyday. Some with degrees and some without. In some cases you have the guy with the Masters degree who doesn't know anything about the job and cares less to learn as long as he's getting paid, and then you have the guy with just the high school diploma but has years of experience who everyones goes to when they need help. I agree experience is better than just a degree, but understand most positions are being filled by recruiters who know nothing about the field. So unless that recruiter been in the military his/herself or grew up in a family of one, they wont understand your situation. All in all, its better to continue your education and pursue your degree and show employers that your willing to go the extra mile to succeed. Most people don't finish their degree not because of life circumstance, but mainly because they are lazy, and that's a stereotype a lot of recruiters, employers, and people with degrees in general have. Think about that the next time you apply for a position...
Anonymous on September 14, 2009 at 2:05am

I have a degree in the College of Experience, and have worked with highly skilled college grads and highly underdeveloped college grads. I cannot understand how experience is overlooked and a college degree is preferred. There are more idiots produced by colleges today than experience has ever created. I have been down to the CRC at Ft. Benning where many people have stated that they had no clue about the $200,000 job they got with a contractor but they did have a college degree that they got with a major in "underwater butt scratching". I am amazed how many recruiters don't care about the overall efficiency and effectivness of the Defense Contracting System. What goes around will come around, someday.
Hal R Jeauxdevine (Scottsville Kentucky) on September 11, 2009 at 2:45pm

To those guys that have the experience but no degreee I have three words. GET THE DEGREE. In todays market a bachelors degree (not Associates) is a necessity, not an option. Thirty years ago you needed a high school diploma, today you need a college degree.

I received an email today from a recruiter that claims there are two things he can't accomplish when trying to fill a perm job. One is filling the slot with a long term Contractor such as myself because of the perceived lack of loyalty. The other is trying to place someone without a degree. Yes, anything is possible but why bang your head against a brick wall instead of getting the degree? You are perceived as "unqualified" no matter how unfair that might be. Instead of making up scapegoat excuses or placing blame on these shortsighted employers, I for one would get the degree at any cost. Good luck to you all.
richwright (Florida) on September 10, 2009 at 2:44pm

To the retiree from Malboro, I too have recently retired with 22 years of service, I have been a logistician for the past 16 years, worked in all capacity of logistics and is in the process of completing a Business Management/ Human Resources degree in November.

I have applied for over 50 logistics positions from June to present. Have been look at three times with an answer of not qualified. If I were an employer I would rather choose experience over a piece of paper.

The jobs are out there but the good ole boy system is in effect.
Francis Harper (Clarksville Tennessee) on September 9, 2009 at 7:18pm

I would tend to agree with at least some of Anonymous East Tennessee's sentiment concerning degrees. I am a 15-year Navy Veteran with extensive technical training, and I've been in defense contracting since 1992. That's a total of 32 years of combined, diverse IT experience. Yet, I've been turned down for lots of positions beccause I don't have a degree. I have more technical expertise than ANYBODY with a degree and a few years of experience. However, I have to add that possessing a degree shows perspective employers that you have the "sticktoitiveness" to pursue a goal and achieve it. And I will admit that there are perhaps a few tools that a college education provides that I've had to learn the hard way. At any rate, I work alongside both degreed and non-degreed people, and it's very hard to draw a line between who is more capable. Good luck to all honest, hard-working job seekers, degree or no degree.

Scott
CBRN Installation Protection Program Configuration Manager and JCIDS SME
Scott Gale (Woodbridge Virginia) on September 9, 2009 at 1:19pm

How ironic that people in the most unscrupulous industry would want to talk about "honesty". How about all the dishonest recruiters that abound? Those that call you for a job but spend all their time soliciting information for a sales lead. Where do you work? What are you doing? Who is your manager? "References" are more often than not sales leads for the recruiters. I will NEVER produce a "reference" until a phone screen is arranged and completed.

As far as clearances are concerned until DSS is willing to discuss the status of a clearance directly with the holder it is difficult to know exactly whether an inactive clearance is still valid or not.

Then there are the recruiters that seemingly just collect resumes and NEVER respond with any feedback. Do half the advertised jobs even exist? Many recruiters also have virtually no background in very technical fields so they are incapable of properly pre-screening qualified Candidates for the Client. Then of course are the foreigners that you can't do business with at all because their language skills are so poor they are unintelligible. When you finally do pass a phone screen and receive an offer, how about the recruiter that wants to shave five dollars off your already agreed upon rate to stick in his or her pocket. Do I really need to go on? For every Candidate out there that blatantly lies there must be at least ten recruiters that are continually dishonest as part of their normal daily business routine.
richwright (Grant Florida) on September 8, 2009 at 7:51am

While Defense recruiters may want honesty, they should also mention that they want only local candidates, too. I have been applying to location in OH, TX and VA,MD,DC with the intentions of relocating, but I have received very little feedback as to whether or not I am being considered or not for a particular position. I realize that the economy isn't the best it has ever been, but I'm not looking for someone else to pay my relocation expenses. If they want to, well that's great, but if they don't, then I will do it without hesitation. Like Rob-of-Indy, I am also a former teacher, but I don't have any military experience, and currently I have a position with the DoD at Scott AFB, and I guess that is more than some others may have, but unlike the 20% mentioned in the article, I do have a specific job target.
CCIE_2B (Southern Illinois) on September 6, 2009 at 12:33am

To the guy from East Tennessee. I have never been in the military and I have an engineering degree from one of those University of Intellectual Idiots schools you are referring to.

Just know that those intellectual idiots have the utmost respect for the men and woman in uniform and that is why we worked our butts off in college to go into a field that provides the best hardware and weapons that money can buy. Is the money good? Yes of course it is and we deserve every penny. But you ask anyone where I work and they will tell you that it is what we produce that makes us proud. We could all sell out very easily and go make more money elsewhere.

I could of worked at any job in the country but I chose to work as a defense contractor so that I could see first hand how the products I put my heart and soul into work to protect people like you.

And now some advice. If you have truly been in the military all those years what is another four years of college. Go get the degree. I know that some soldiers say they are scared of college...SCARED!!! OF COLLEGE!!...A SOLDIER? That makes no sense to me. Most of you have benefits to pursue further education that you are not even aware of.

So stop bitching and go get the money you deserve.
Lower Wrung of Corporate Ladder (Missouri) on September 1, 2009 at 9:25pm

Gee, I'm a teacher, former military, and soon to be retired government worker with a Secret Clearance looking for something to do. I guess this is the wrong place to look. I'm firmly in the 20% "undesirealbes".
Rob-of-Indy (Central Indiana) on August 29, 2009 at 9:18pm

I recently retired from the Army; my job title in the Army was Vehicle Maintenance Supervisor. My position wasn’t just limited to turning wrenches. To be an effective Maintenance Manger I had to have general knowledge in supply procedures and logistical operations.

I managed personnel, funds and materials; I coordinated the movement of large volumes of military equipment worth millions of dollars in support of over seas deployments and training exercises. I got my degree form the University of Hard Knocks.

Now that I’m out of the military it seems that my training, hands on experience and security clearance means nothing in the civilian sector. All I’m looking for is a far shot; a degree is worth nothing if an individual doesn’t have any real world experience.

I find my self extremely complex knowing that I worked for the largest and most challenging organization on the face of the earth for over 22 years and now I have to push a broom to earn a living. All because I don’t of a piece of paper that says I graduated from the University of Intellectual Idiots!
Anonymous (East Tennessee) on August 27, 2009 at 6:46pm

I have an active TWIC Card.
May question: Is this supposed to mean I have a security clearance?
Anonymous272535 (Upper Marlboro Maryland) on August 26, 2009 at 2:48pm

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